STOP obsessing over timelines! -sunk costs, turning 30, and starting over at any age

In honor of my 30th birthday, this episode is about timelines, expectations, and the sunk cost mindset that keeps us stuck in situations we’ve outgrown. We convince ourselves that because we’ve already invested time, history, or effort into something, it’s harder (or even too late) to start over.

But life doesn’t actually work on a schedule. There is no “too late,” no perfect timing, and no point where you lose your ability to change direction.

We talk about releasing the pressure of timelines, letting go of sunk cost thinking, and remembering that you can restart your life at any moment. The best time to change your life is simply when you decide to.

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Hello and welcome back to the Sober Scoop. My name is India Gance, and today, well, actually tomorrow, whenever you're listening to this, on June 10th, I'm turning 30, baby. The big 3-0. 30, flirty, and thriving. And a lot of people feel anxiety around this decade. I feel like this is when real adulthood uh happens, right? Like this is the real deal. You gotta have your life figured out by 30. Okay. For me, I'm more in the mindset of thank God, I cannot wait to leave my 20s in the past. I have so many thoughts. I'm feeling very reflective. I'm just thinking about how sad I was through a good chunk of my 20s. I'm thinking about how much I struggled alone for a good chunk of my 20s. I'm thinking about my past relationships. I'm thinking about my career moves. I'm thinking about embarrassing things I've done or said, or I don't know. I'm just, I'm feeling very reflective. I'm just like, whoa, I'm almost a little cringed out by my 20s, and I'm excited to start this new decade fresh. So today's episode is all about how you are never too late. I I sometimes think about how I wasted a lot of my 20s, how I made so many mistakes, and I wish I would have got sober sooner, I wish I wouldn't have dated that one awful guy. Like I have so many wish I would have's, right? But you're never too late to completely change your life. In fact, fun fact, you are allowed to change your life as many times as you want. You can change your life in your 20s, you can change your life in your 30s, you can you can learn, thank God for the internet, a whole new skill and start a new job in a completely different career at age 50 if you want. You can change your life at any time. You're never too late, ever. You can decide at 82 years old, man, I really start gotta start building some strength so that I can, you know, finish my life strong and be able to remain into independent, and you can start lifting weights at 80 years old. There is no timeline, there's no time restriction. You're you're not too far gone to change your life. And that is what today's episode is about. I'm gonna be reflecting on my 20s a little bit, and we're just gonna be talking about this crazy concept of timeline and how a lot of times we just continue keeping on with our normal lives when we want to change it, but we think, ah, we're too far gone. Okay, we're never too far gone. So thanks for listening. Let's jump right in. So I think a big way that this timeline anxiety comes into people's lives is around relationships. We think like, oh, we've already invested so much time into this person. Why would I start fresh? But you are so unhappy, they're treating you terribly. Maybe you need to get out for your safety, but you say, oh my God, you know, I've already been with them for 25 years. I can't possibly start over. And so you just keep going. It's kind of like, oh, well, I'm too deep into this. There's no hope for me. Another way that I see this coming out is in the fitness world. Like if you are very overweight, you think, I've got no chance. It I'm not gonna be able to get to where I want to be in the next six months or even a year. It would take years. And so you say, Oh, you know, I'm too far gone. I'm too deep into this. I look the way I look. There's no coming back from this. But the crazy thing is, if you just slowly chipped away, three years down the road, you'd be looking back and be like, oh my God, I'm so glad that I started chipping away. Yeah, it wasn't fast. It was very slow and steady wins the race, but that three years is gonna pass anyway. And aren't you so happy that you were working on your fitness bit by bit throughout those three years? Or your relationship. It's like, yeah, it's oh my god, the hardest thing ever to leave a 25-year relationship. That would be crazy. That's that's major in life. But you could have those 25 years and start your life, or you could stick with that person for another five years, and then, you know, at your 30-year anniversary, you're like, okay, now I need to get out. We've never invested too much time to where we can't get out, if that makes sense. In your relationship, in your fitness, like you're never too deep, you're never too far gone. You can always come out of it, even if it's not gonna be right away. You know, you're not gonna get fit immediately. You're not gonna be out of that relationship immediately. It might be stuff with your children, it might be paperwork, it might be so many years until you feel comfortable dating again. You know, all of these things are processes, but we have to start the process eventually. And just having that mindset of, ah, well, you know, I'm too deep into this. We only have one life. We have to achieve the life that we want. So let's bring this back around to sobriety. Now, luckily, I was able to get sober at 28 years old, which I feel like is, you know, relatively young in the grand scheme of things. But I definitely debated getting sober for a long time before I did. And I do still carry a lot of guilt around the fact that I didn't get sober sooner. But one of the reasons I didn't get sober sooner and why I just kept getting deeper into my drinking problem is because I basically just said, I'm too far gone. I am so deep into this drinking problem to the point where I need alcohol first thing in the morning as like my medication to numb ADHD symptoms to just be able to get work done. Like I literally got to the point where I needed alcohol. I could not exist without it. I mean, I was deep. And I just thought, you know, tomorrow, if I I'm not gonna feel great if I quit drinking tomorrow. This this just I don't want to give up this life. I'm too deep into it. I could not see the other side. And then I'll never forget on the day that I actually got sober, the thing I kind of told myself was one day has to be someday, so why not make that day today? That is the thought that hit me. I don't know why, I just felt it. I said, let's go back to the fitness episode. Like, you want to get fit eventually, right? That first day in the gym has to come at some point. You want to get out of your relationship. You know that you're not meant to be with this person, but the breakup conversation or the divorce papers or whatever, that that does need to come eventually, one day. So why not now? Like we always envision things for ourselves. Oh, you know, maybe eventually, whatever. That day has to come. And I thought about getting sober for so long, but then I was like, that first day of sobriety has to come at some point. And on that day, I just woke up and I I felt that that day was the day. And even though I didn't have like this instant glow up the next day and feeling amazing, I mean, we've all been there, right? Like the beginning of sobriety ain't no walk in the park. Okay. It's it's unpleasant in a lot of ways. But I I I wasn't too deep. I could still get myself out of it, and I could chip away every day. That time is going to pass anyway, so you may as well be chipping away. I remember I would be on social media in the beginning of my sobriety, and I followed like all these sobriety people, and they'd be like, share your sobriety dates in the comments, and everyone would be like, Oh my god, I'm 1,763 days sober. And I would be like, Oh my god. I mean, even when I saw somebody who was like 98 days sober, I was like, that's just that's never gonna be me. Like, that is just so far away. But you just start chipping away, and then all of a sudden, it's like, whoa, I'm several hundred days sober now. It's just crazy. I think we future trip a lot and we think about, oh my god, I'm never gonna be fully healed or fully fit or fully sober and thriving. Like we feel that the end is unachievable because it doesn't happen right away. We can't grasp that concept, but every day you can get a little tiny bit closer to that, and you start feeling pretty great throughout the process. So let's say you're sitting there at 64 years old, and you're like, man, I really want to quit drinking. But I've spent the last 40 years drinking obscene amounts of alcohol. My liver's shot, my mental health is shot, all my family just knows me as somebody who drinks in this way. It's just part of my routine. I don't have to explain it to anybody anymore. It just, it is me. I am this person who drinks a lot. I have been for 40 years. But you know that you need to get out of it, right? You're you're still not too far gone. It doesn't matter how old you are. You can change your life at 60, 70, 80. You can change your life whenever you want. And I really do think that we get so latched on to like who we are and who we have been, and we forget who we could be. Or, like I said earlier, it's almost like this din this distant dream of ours. Like I envision sobriety for myself, but I can't grasp it. I just I am who I am. I've been doing this for 40 years, I'm too far gone. We're not too far gone, ever. Oh my god, I finally remembered what this concept is called. It's called sunk cost. Have you heard that before? It's like you've already invested so much money, so you can't turn back now. Think about it in business, okay? So you want to start this crazy company. You have this idea, okay? And you've put in so much money in marketing, into developing the product, you've hired a team and everything. And then you're a year and a half into the business, and you realize this sucks. It's not sticking, nobody's buying it. Uh, a large company came out with a similar version. We got no shot. And you think, well, I've already invested so much money and time into this, I can't give up now. And then you end up wasting even more money trying to make it happen for an additional year and a half, and then you reach year three, and you're like, okay, now we really need to stop this. And you're massively in debt, and you all all your investors, and it's a shit show. Sorry, I don't really swear, but you know, uh, for lack of a better word, you that's why you just you cut your losses, basically. It's like you've invested all that money, sure. And you've invested all that time, sure. A little bit of a waste, yeah, but you know what's a m you know what's more waste is doing it for another year. You know, that going back to the 25-year relationship or whatever, like, yeah, you've I mean, not wasted, because you still lived and learned and had amazing memories along the way, but you have invested 25 years of your time into this person. A good chunk of your life was devoted to this person who you realize is not your person anymore. And yeah, that sucks. You're like, man, think of all the people I could have met, think of all the places I could have gone, I could have met my true soulmate, whatever. It's like, yeah, I'm bummed that I invested 25 years into this person that's not for me. But you know what's even more unfortunate is investing 28 years into that person. You know? It's it's like cut your losses. You're unhappy at 25 years, cut it at 25, don't make it 30, don't make it 35 years. The sunk cost syndrome just eats us alive. And I think with regard to sobriety, at least my mindset was kind of like, well, I've already spent my entire 20s over drinking. I have used alcohol to cope with things, and here we are, you know, this is this is me. I've already done it for so long. What difference does it make if I stop now? It's are that time's already lost, and I think, ah, you know, I've already spent all that time. Why bother? I I can't possibly recover from here, right? I've already invested so much into this drinking problem, basically. But if you cut it now, you can have the rest of your life happy in sobriety. Or you can spend another two years, five years thinking about getting sober before you just actually do it. We gotta just actually do it. You know what they say? I absolutely love this. They say, like, okay, yeah, the best time to get sober would have been two years ago when you thought about doing it. But the next best time to get sober is now. Today. The best time to get out of your 25 year relationship would have been at year ten when you knew he wasn't the guy. But you know when the next best time is? Now. Today. We can't let that thought of like I should have done it so long ago stop us from doing it now. Oh, I've I've been with him for five years already. You know, I should have broken up with him back when we were only dating for a year, would have been easier, wouldn't have invested so much time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But do you want to put in another five years? No. The yesterday I think the quote is yesterday would have been the best time to do it, but the next best time is today. It's now. So with regard to my 30th birthday, the 30s, like entering your 30s is historically a a stark change. Uh it's a big birthday, right? Like on all the shows, I feel like, you know, 30 is old, 30 is like, whoa, you're not hot and in your 20s anymore. You're 30. Holy smokes. Um, but I don't feel that because my 20s were just a mess. And I'm so excited to start a new decade. I also think that I've really removed the weight that a new decade holds. I mean, yeah, that sounds exciting, and I'm excited to see what the next 10 years holds, but I'm not a big like New Year's resolution person. I'm not a big like, yeah, birthday person or like, oh my god, new decade, fresh, you know, another year around the sun, this one's gonna be it. Like, I don't put a ton of pressure on that number. It's like, okay, yeah, I was 29, now I'm 30. What's the big deal here, right? And where I thought I would be at 30 is very far from what I am, what I am at 30 years old. Like, of course, when you're young, everybody thinks 30, you know, you're gonna be married, probably have one or two kids by then, you're gonna have bought a house. I feel like that's a big milestone. It's like you've bought a house. Well, newsflash, I've done none of those things. I am turning 30 in a few hours. I am single. I have no children, I have no assets, I have no house. I have not bought a house. I was close at one point and then I completely blew all my savings. That's a story for another time. But um, yeah, wasn't able to buy a house before 30. Okay. Wasn't able to get married. I could have. I always joke about this. I could have been married three times, but I chose myself and knew that those relationships were not the ones for me. So therefore, I am single. Happily single. And no kids. I was just joking with my mom actually yesterday. I was like, you know, in a lot of those hospital shows and stuff, people would just like drop a baby off at the fire department or drop a baby off at the hospital. I was like, you know what? If that just happened to me, if like a child just came into my life, I'd be like, okay, cool. Like, great, why do I feel like that's gonna happen? Why do I feel like a child is gonna come into my life really, really randomly and completely unplanned? Who knows? But anyway, alas, I do not have a child and I'm nowhere near having one because I don't even have a boyfriend. So unless somebody drops a baby at my doorstep, that's not happening anytime soon. But moral of the story. We cannot plan and stress about the timelines because everything will happen as it will. And one of my favorite quotes, I don't know if it's a quote, but it's something I say all the time, is everything makes sense in hindsight. And that rings so true for me, it actually makes me freaking emotional, even just thinking about it. Because I think back at what a mess the last decade was in so many ways. I made some horrific mistakes. I got to the lowest, lowest point of my life. I remember a significant moment when I was driving down Sunset Boulevard in LA and I was driving past all these nice restaurants, outdoor seating, all that stuff, and I see people smiling and laughing with their friends and cheersing, and I could not fathom being happy like that, smiling and laughing and having a good time. Like I was so, so far from that that I looked around and I almost thought it was fake or something. I was like, how can these people even feel that type of happiness? I it did not compute in my mind because I was so unhappy for so long and so depressed and in this dark, dark place with that one really bad relationship I was in. It was dark times. And I looked around and I could not fathom happiness. Did not make sense to me at all. My drinking problem also, like I experienced some really, really low lows and dark times with that, the secrets and hiding and just how isolated I became, and I just have so many messy thoughts from my 20s, some mistakes that I'll never feel comfortable talking about on here, just crazy times, if I'm being honest. And as you're living through those, as I was living through those, it all felt really heavy. None of it made sense. I was like, oh my God, I've been let go from two jobs in one year. Yep, that happened too in my 20s. I was directionless. I was confused by the relationships I was in, the career that I was in. Everything. Nothing made sense to me. Absolutely nothing made sense. But now I'm sitting here at 30. Oh my god, is that me saying it in real time for the first time? I'm 30 and I'm thinking to myself, it all makes sense, which is wild. I'm able to look back at that and be like, it all makes sense. It all led me to where I am. Everything makes sense in hindsight. I even think about, you know, I'm able to have this platform and this podcast to help people who are going through their drinking problem. I feel like this is almost my destiny. Like I was meant to change lives in some way and like impact people, and apparently it's through sobriety talking about getting out of an alcohol problem and all that, and like thriving in in your sober life. And I just had no idea that this is where my life was going. I had no idea. But we retrace our steps, and it's like, oh, is this why I suffered a drinking problem? Is this why I went through that horrific relationship and made the mistakes that I did so that I could feel those lows somehow come out of it and then be able to help others who are going through those lows? I don't know. But what I'm trying to say here is that it might seem crazy right now. You might be thinking, like, what is going on? I've had so many moments in life where I'm like, What is going on? Like when I had moved in with my boyfriend for one month into this new place, got on New furniture got settled in, all the moving costs, etc. And then I realized that this is not my person and I need to get out. I had recently gotten sober and I was having a lot of revelations. I realized I wanted to break up with him. I wanted to break up with the city of Los Angeles, move back to my hometown, be sober. Like all of these things were just happening. And I had to move out of my place that I had just gotten with him, sold all our stuff. I basically had like a doors open, just free-for-all garage sale in my house, selling all of my belongings, a lot of them that I'd worked years to obtain. And I was just like, yep, take anything. Name your price, you know, I gotta get out of here. And I'm I'm standing there during that moment just thinking, what the frick is happening right now? Literally, what is life? This is so crazy. But it's like you just keep pushing on. You just you just gotta get through it. You just have to get through it. And it's not, there's that sunk cost again. I wasn't like, oh, well, you know, we've bought all this stuff, we've invested all this time. I've been with this guy for a couple years. We just moved into this place, like our lease is up in 11 months. Why don't I just do it then? No, I had to do it right then. I had to do it because I wasn't gonna throw away another 11 months waiting for the lease to end. Like, no, I had to do it then. Sunk cost, no, no, no, no, no. We haven't invested too much, we haven't put in too much time. We can always find a way out. And yeah, so looking back, it's like that all made sense. Like, I had to get out of there, I had to move, I just had to do it right then and there, and I'm so glad that I did in hindsight, but in that moment, I was like, this is crazy town. You know something else that we do all the time, just as human beings? We love round numbers, we love a calendar date that makes sense. I think that's why a lot of people get sober on January 1st. So many people's sobriety dates are January 1st, and I think that's great, of course. Like anytime. Name the time or place. If you can get sober, that's the right time to get sober. Doesn't matter. But people love that round number. It's January 1st of the new year. You know, it sounds nice, it feels nice, it's a fresh start. I think a lot of people say, okay, I am turning 30. This is when I'm switching my job. You know, I'm 29 years old and I'm suffering a drinking problem, but I'm I may as well wait till 30. I told myself all sorts of stuff like that. Oh my god, the amount of excuses when I was trying to get sober. I said, oh my god, let me just run you through like one calendar year of thinking about it. So let's say the thought pops into my mind on March 10th that I want to get sober, okay? I would literally be like, oh well, can't get sober today because St. Patrick's Day is next week, and that's such a fun drinking holiday. So I'll just wait till after that, like maybe maybe March 20th or something. But that's like so random. So you may as well wait wait till April 1st, like a nice round April 1st. But April 1st is April Fool's Day, and that's just lame. So let's just push it to May 1st. That's way better. But then it's spring and we're going on that vacation, and so let's just do it when I get back from the vacation on May 19th. But that's such a random number. 519, what the heck? I'll just wait till June 1st, but that's my birthday month. My birthday's June 10th, so maybe I get sober on June 11th, but we're also gonna be out of town, so June 13th, may as well make it the middle of the month, June 15th. Wait, that's random too. I'll just wait till July 1st, but then it's 4th of July. So let's just wait till August 1st, etc., etc., etc., etc. Don't get me started with the winter because then it would be, oh, there's Thanksgiving, I'll do it December 1st, but then oh, there's Christmas, I'll do it January 1st. You know, it's just like we always love a nice round timeline. I feel like we do this with decades in honor of the 30th birthday conversation. I feel like so many people will wait for a certain decade, like, oh, you know, this my 30s, this is gonna be the year I get sober, the year I get in shape, like I'm 30, it's round, it's round, it's nice. Fun fact for you all. You can literally change your life on August 7th of your 34th year of life. You can change your life on October 26th of your 54th year of life. Okay, it can be random, it can have no significance. You can restart your life at any point in time, any point. Oh my god. My sobriety start date is so random in my opinion. So my birthday is June 10th, woohoo! Happy birthday. My sober start date is June 20th. It had, when I tell you nothing to do with that birthday, I mean nothing. I turned 28. It wasn't like, oh, I went so hard on my birthday, like I need to get sober, because then I would have got sober June 11th or 12th or something. Like I waited another 10 days to get sober. And it literally wasn't anything. It didn't have to do with the birthday. I didn't pick that date, like I said earlier. I just woke up and I felt it in my bones that day. June 20th, how random. That's really, really close to your birthday, but not quite. That would have gotten so in my head. I I could have easily been like, that's so close to my birthday. I want to be able to celebrate those dates further apart. It's weird that it's not right after my birthday. It's weird that it's not on my birthday. It's weird that it's not the next month. Like, why is it 10 days after my birthday? I feel like that's really just random. Even now, I'm filming a little video for my two years sober, and I'm also picking up a cake for my birthday party. And I was like, okay, so I'm literally buying two cakes, one for my sobriety video, one for my birthday video, but they're 10 days apart. Should I refrigerate it? It's this it's a whole thing. Um it's not perfect. And it bothers me in some ways that it's like such a random day. And it was like a, I think it was a Thursday. So it was Thursday, June 20th, and I was 28 years old. Made no sense. Not one bit of it was planned or how I thought I would get sober. I always thought I would plan my sober start date, like find the perfect time, right? I'm I'm gonna get sober in spring because, you know, I want to be able to have a fun summer, and then fall, it's like, you know, you're all cozy at home, and then it's the holidays and the new year and blah blah blah. Spring is when I'm gonna get sober. It's gonna be May 1st, 2027. It's like, I cannot plan my sober start day. I just felt it in my soul. All this to say, I'm jabbering, I'm yapping. All this to say, you can change your life any day you want. It can be a Tuesday, it can be in your 61st year of life instead of your 60th. It can be in a random month that has absolutely no significance to you or the calendar or life. You know, August is just as great of a month to get sober as January is. Doesn't matter. I always feel like when you think about doing it, do it. With sobriety and with anything, obviously easier said than done, for God's sake. But let's say fitness, for example. It's like I really, really want to get in shape. On the day that you think you want to get in shape, you may as well just do a quick workout. Like you gotta just start sometime. And I don't mean for this to sound like preachy, like you gotta start. I'm just saying we as a as a the human race, we need to just start when we think about starting. Not everything has to be a whole number. Have you guys heard that? Uh it's not a theory, it's a fact that humans are always looking for faces. We always want to make things look like a face. We want to see eyes, nose, mouth. We really are drawn to seeing faces. Like I'm looking at that outlet over there right now, and it's kind of like it's looking like a face. Okay, we see faces in the clouds, we see faces in the tree bran or the tree, what's that called? Trunk. We see faces. Humans just want to put two and two together and see a face. I feel like we're very similar to that with our timelines, with our round numbers, with our being obsessed over dates and time and age. Every last bit of that is completely made up, which is kind of crazy. We have created all the timelines. We've created age, we've created the thought that you have to be at a certain place by the time you're 40 or whatever. That's all created. The calendar is created, everything is created. So you're you think you're being smart for getting sober on January 1st of the year 2000. Wow, that's a really round date. 1100. I mean, that is the best sobriety date. I love that. But we made that up. We made that up, honey! It's just a random date, just like any anything else. August 20th, 2026 is just as good of a date to get sober. It's all the same, it's all made up. We're living in a simulation. No, I'm just kidding. I'm not gonna go that far. Okay. So, moral of the sort. Moral of the story. This is also my favorite quote. But this is probably my number one favorite quote, actually. Forget the other one. This is it. This is my favorite quote of all time. You are never too old, too late, or too far gone to completely restart your life. That is my favorite quote. And you can restart your life as many times as you want. You want to have a quarter life crisis and at 28 years old, get sober, break up with your boyfriend, break your lease that you've only been in for one month, sell everything that you own, pack up your little sedan and drive across the country vertically, whatever, um, to your hometown to restart completely. Um yeah, sure, why not? And then again at 35, you think, what the heck was I thinking? I'm restarting again. I'm gonna go back to school, I'm gonna study this thing, I'm gonna get a degree and become a nurse. You can do anything at any time. Your life can look so different in one year if you change it today. Then after you're 35, you can decide at 42 you're ready for a change again. At 57, you're ready for another change, and so on. Like I said, you can be 83 years old and say, I'm gonna buy my first set of dumbbells because it's getting really hard to grab that box from the top shelf or something. I need to start getting a little bit stronger. And you can start at 83. Anytime is the right time. And like I said, someday has to be one day. Why not make that day today? In whatever way you want to change your life. Fitness, nutrition, sobriety, your relationship, your career, anything. We've got to just break out of that mold that everything has to be perfectly planned and timed out, and we gotta ditch the sunk cost. I've already been an occupational therapist for 27 years. I couldn't possibly switch to become a private physical therapist. Yes, you could. You can start a business whenever you want, start fresh whenever you want, start a podcast today about something that you love talking about. And if you realize in a month, uh, this isn't for me, you can change again. You can change your mind. Say, uh, never mind, didn't enjoy that as much as I thought I would. You don't have to keep doing it if you don't enjoy it. The beauty of life. There is no timeline. And I'm I mean, I don't really need to convince myself of that because I really I really am quite anti-timeline. I think I've crushed those enough times in my life. And like I said, 30 doesn't bring me any stress. But I am excited to just keep living my life and not allow the number 30 to like bring me down. I'm not gonna get all small and meek when a guy on a date asks me, so how old are ya? And I'm like, 30, I know, huh, 30, whoa. No, no, no. It's like, yeah, I'm 30. Okay, who cares? It's just a number. Age is but a number. Your sobriety date is but a date. You can do it today, you can do it tomorrow, you can do it whenever the heck you want. Whenever you wake up and feel like it. You can change your career, you can change your boyfriend, you can change anything. How beautiful. Okay, and uh yeah, I feel like that was a little all over the place, but I wanted to do like just an episode in honor of this new decade and kind of smash in all the timelines and expectations that come with that. We're all on our own journey, and like I said, it's all gonna make sense. I can't wait to look back at four when I'm 40 and say, oh wow, like those were my 30s, and it makes sense with how my 20s were, like all of this just makes sense. It'll all figure itself out, it always does. We just gotta keep on, keep it on, as they say. With love, goodbye. Tune in next week for another episode. And if you'd like to join our sobriety support group, the link is in the description of every single episode. So go ahead and join. It's a great community over there, and I really appreciate you listening. I appreciate you guys being here and being a part of this community because, like I said in this episode, I feel that this is almost like where I'm meant to be. And I hope you feel that way too. Like wherever you're sitting in your sobriety, your connection to this community, the scoop troop community, your just path of sobriety. I hope you feel like this is where you're supposed to be. Like you found your place, you found your people. Um and it all makes sense, you know? It's like you're here, you're good. So this space just brings me so much wholeness and peace, and I hope it brings even an ounce of that to you as well. So thank you again, and I'll see you for the next episode. Bye.